Dangerously subversive dad.
Occasionally perusing the world of blogging can throw up some real gems, such as this one from the Philippines. Then other times I come across bloggers so vile I wish I could reach through the screen and out of theirs, and smash their stupid faces in. So without any further ado let me introduce Dangerously Subversive Dad - the link is to just one of his venemous diatribes, entitled Invasion of the grey criminals, in which his initially reasoned argument against the BBC's depiction of non-white criminals degenerates into thinly veiled racist rage.Suggesting black on white racist crimes have become so prominent they are now "run of the mill", DSD bemoans how, if a white on black racist crime were ever to take place (don't think it actually does in his world - he asks his reader to "imagine" it happening, having no examples of such cases himself, despite a ready supply of examples of black on white crimes to hand) it would be all over the papers. What a national ignominy this is, when the hordes of black rapists and thugs are allowed to carry on savaging the poor English every day in their own land.
Reading the comments readers have left in reply to this piece of sage political observation, it becomes clear what type of animal DSD caters for. Hoping for at least one response from a non-racist lunatic, I read on in vain. Dave said that black on white crime "doesn't bother (him) as much", because, the dim-witted brutes, they "attack each other as much." Ah yes, the old black on black crime. They're all a bunch of violent thugs. Thick. If only they could learn from the example of the excessively peaceful white man, who is never to be seen committing acts of violence against his own.
DSD sympathises with Dave's worries about English political correctness, though. The English, he enthuses, "aren't ALLOWED to protect our own".
"If whitey so much as looks funny at anyone who isnt whitey in this country -Obviously any non-whites are not considered English by DSD.
especially a Muslim - whitey finds himself inside a prison cell on hate crime
charges."
Last but by no means least, a scumbag going by the name No Mercy rants about the Muslim pollution in Berlin, and finishes thus:
"Muslims are like locusts and they have to be treaten (sic) like locusts!The answer isI did type a little response of my own, but DSD employs comment moderation, and judging by that last comment, it's clear he maintains meticulous scruples when deciding which comments be published and which not. So perhaps my reply will not scrape through the net.
not 42 but Gas."
Update: Well in response, it has to be said DSD comes across different second time around. It's only fair to reproduce his words here, as I have seen fit to attack him.
"All the post was about is arguing for equality of reporting and prosecution -
no special treatment for ethnic and/or religious minorities. None at all. That's
ACTUAL equality old boy, as opposed to the 'only whitey is racist' nonsense you
think is anti-racism. I'm sorry if its not to your liking.And for the record, as
far as I presnally am concerned ANYONE born in England who wants to regard
themselves as English, is English. Anyone who legally enters this country and is
willing to abide by its laws and respect its culture, is English to me. But
anyone who wants to reserve the right to live in my country but still only obey
their own 'cultural laws' like subjugation of women, murderous homophobia, rabid racism and anti-semitism can fuck off because they are NOT English."
As with everyone coming from your angle, DSD, you simply assume that anybody who expresses absolute disgust at the suggestion of gassing Muslims is some sort of "phoney anti-racist" who doesn't think that a black man murdering a white man should be punished. Couldn't be further from the truth. It is not the shrouding over of inconvenient realities I seek in order to push some political motive (an inconvenient reality for you though seems to be that white people do attack blacks too). I can't deny there are some so eager to stamp out the racism they see they become blind to racism on the part of those they have designated as victims. But to use those people as some sort of easy get out clause enabling the instant dismissal of any anti-racist thought (which doesn't include poor whitey playing the victim) is unacceptable.
You also cite your experience of growing up in a very Asian area of NW London, how you have seen all the "stick it to the white boy" stuff for yourself. I also reside in London, a very multiracial area south of the river, and have also in my time seen racism on the part of non-whites, as well as on the part of whites. Your calls for equality are in fact reasonable, as far as you bother to take them. But for all the racism you or I have seen in the schools, streets, pubs, etc, I can think of an area where I have seen more racism than any of these put together.
The workplace frequently provides the perfect breeding ground for racism. In the workplace I have often witnessed overt exploitation of non-whites, such as constantly giving them the most menial jobs to do. Worse still is the refusal to employ non-whites, I have seen many turn up on the same bus as me to do the same job, but not come back the next day, when the supervisor shares a joke with us about how he didn't want any coons working in his factory.
Perhaps when these very real social conditions change, and the equality that you hunger for really does take hold, then ethnic minorities will begin to reap the benefits of an equal standing in British society. And if that ever happened, then maybe there would be less of those examples of anti-white feeling that you are rightly angered by.
posted by Phu @ 1:27 pm
22 Comments:
Thanks for the link Phu, glad to see I'm doing my job and pissing off phony 'anti-racists' like you. Oh, and for the specific reason I employ comment moderation feel free to go read the reply.
Feel free to throw some of the ready supply of those white on black racist crimes you mentioned. You know, without saying Stephen Lawrence or Anthony Walker. Bet I can match you at least 2 for 1.
To follow the workplace example, would you for example say that if I wore a T-Shirt to work saying 'White Power' with a clenched white fist on it I should be dismissed for racism? Because the mechanics I worked with once upon a time were happy to do the same with 'Black Power' T-Shirts and nary a move was ever made against them.
The one example will immediately inspire visions of jackbooted racsit skinheads for you - but I am sure the other does not. Ask yourself why that is.
Because to ignore context and act as if the two things are borne out of the same struggle is oversimplifying a more complex reality. Where one race has been oppressed, ghettoised, driven to and held at the fringes of mainstream society, the other has enjoyed superior social standing, job opportunities, justice, etc.
Black people are the subjects of the gaze, they are stereotyped, misrepresented, and mocked. They have been denied an equal opportunity of living standard. Small wonder a race of people afforded none of these things should seek to arouse a sense of pride among their own, when pride and dignity are the things so often stolen from them.
Ah. So yes, as I suspected, its all right if your Black, not if your White. We have a word in the dicionary for that attitude Phu. You know what it is.
why the hell would you need to have "white power" emblazoned on a tee shirt? it's emblazoned all across the society we live in!
it's alright saying ah yes, what's good for one is good for the other, but these are two very different things.
wearing a white power tee shirt would be nothing other than an assertion of racist ideology, how could it be? the person wearing it would have a difficult job arguing that he was calling for the empowerment of white people, white people already have the power!
like it or not, the benefits that have always been enjoyed by whites are undeniable, and the costs payed by blacks far outweigh the cross you have to bare. how hard it must have been for you, seeing those tee shirts! harder than seeing your people downtrodden, subjected to second class citizen status, even.
if you really wanted equality, you would be calling for the real issues to be dealt with first. that blacks get to wear black power tee shirts and whites don't is hardly a grand privilege, when compared with the superior schooling, housing, justice, and everything else whites enjoy.
At the very least, I think we can all agree that No Mercy is a total bastard. I'm assuming it's not this No Mercy?
LOL. What a bunch of scumbags.
Phu - if you really think that in any way shape or form Whites enjoy superior justice over Blacks in Britain 2006 then you really dont have that braincell I credited you with remaining after all. 'White Power emblazoned across our society indeed - is there some daft bloody leftist dictionary you get this nonsense from?
Odd really. I always thought that the type of white racist scumbag who becomes a skinhead was a marginalised member of society who did not enjoy superior social standing, superior job opportunities etc. Obviously they need to develop a sense of pride among their own. After all pride and dignity are the things so often stolen from them. Perhaps you know a guilt-ridden middle class person who can guide them in the approved and non-approved methods of developing such pride. After all we don't want marginalised groups to think for themselves.
Interesting that you deny the black man any autonomy to escape poverty without reference to his race. It seems to be beyond your imagination that anything else might be at wrong except racism. Most of the immigrant groups that have achieved success equal to or beyond the racist English, seem to have achieved their success without basing it upon identity politics. I seem to have missed the Hindu, Sikh, Jew, Chinese or even Ghanian empowerment movements.
Odd that most of the Jews who came to England during a time of widespread anti-semitism, who often came as penniless refugees, yet achieved remarkable success before anti-racism was invented. Doubly odd that refugees from Russia were released from serfdom in the 1880s, yet seem not to be handicapped by that relatively recent release from bondage.
Odd that many of the black people who do achieve prominence seem to have been schooled in predominately white areas. Almost as if evil Daily Mail readers were deliberately reaching out from their white areas past the rows of supportive outreach workers, anti-racism officers, equality coordinators, right-on teachers, concerned social workers, socialist councillors, and a left wing government and poisoning the success of black kids in inner city schools. Quite an achievement really.
Ah, Phu, I see you've got your own little debate going here! (wink, wink). Good post though...
Phu, when in a hole.....
DSD, you're right, I know things have changed. Thankfully British society has gradually discarded the racist aspects of itself to the point where things are very different now, although not perfect.
And yes, when I say not perfect I acknowledge that not all the remaining problems are faced by non-whites.
But when arguing with somebody who is pissed off about black power - which was an issue in the 1970's, not in 2006 - I think any slight perceieved anachronisms in my reasoning should be forgiven.
Anon - you really believe all racists are working class skinheads? But I smell another "I'm more working class than you" argument coming along...
"Interesting that you deny the black man any autonomy to escape poverty without reference to his race"
As already explained, DSD expressed his rage at black power, a concept firmly rooted in the late 60's and moreso the 70's in Britain. So yes, any response to him must consider the social conditions the black power movement was borne out of. In that case it is impossible to ignore the issue of race when talking about the economic autonomy of black people, who were routinely denied positions of employment because of the colour of their skin.
"Almost as if evil Daily Mail readers were deliberately reaching out from their white areas past the rows of supportive outreach workers, anti-racism officers, equality coordinators, right-on teachers, concerned social workers, socialist councillors, and a left wing government and poisoning the success of black kids in inner city schools. Quite an achievement really."
What a load of bollocks. You don't know what you're talking about.
It is widely accepted, by those with any knowledge of the situation at all, that for a very long period of time black children were not afforded the same amount of watchful tuition as white children. Don't worry if they're not doing very well - they're not the same as us, in the genes. Not as academic, they'll be good in sports.
The situation bred a generation of disillusioned youngsters with little scope for social elevation, save the track or the gym.
Each generation is the product of the previous one. The healing process of any social rift takes time, it doesn't take place over night.
There are various other issues that complicate situations like this, anon, I know it's not all about race. But race is what this argument was all about.
Yes, actually. But you're missing the point. You said yourself there was a sprinkling of black kids in your school. Hardly the same as a school where there are lots of black kids, is it?
And watchful tuition means more than just writing the maths on the blackboard, each child also enters a personal relationship with the teacher, which is largely how the teacher responds to the child's individual performance, not how the teacher treats the class as a whole.
And let's get it right, if you are going to deny that this actually ever went on, then what are you saying? How do you explain the poor academic performances of black boys that are being recorded today by an institution that now cares and takes notice?
Is it just that black boys are stupid? If you can't accept the real social conditions that lead to situations, that's you're decision.
But if you're going to label it all bollocks, you are going to need a more informed and reasoned argument than "there was some blacks at my school and they was alright."
At least DSD can argue his points well.
DSD, I take it I've got you to thank for the influx of interest in this post though, because you linked to it. Nice one.
What I have said is that it was common for teachers to encourage white kids to pursue their studies while not always affording black kids the same encouragement. Often, blacks have recalled how their teachers encouraged them to get more involved in sports, in spite of academic progress.
Certainly a failure to complete work or to reach a decent standard of work did not always have the same results between white kids and black kids, much the same way the brighter kids in a class carry more teacher expectations on their shoulders than the rest.
Phu,
Coupla points. First, the mechanics in question I worked with were flourishing their credentials in 1990, not 1970. And secondly, I'd really really like your opinion on this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/education/4457624.stm
Isnt this a clear example of racist allocation of educational resources? Will you condemn it?
Britain in 1990 was still a very different place from Britain now, but we're not going to get any further discussing tee shirts.
Anyway, the idea of forging community links seems to me a good one, although I'm not sure how it would be achieved. And obviously forging those links just as a "teaching resource to learn about minority cultures" is a stupid and damaging project.
Not sure how "learning about racial equality... across the curriculum" will work either. Doesn't seem very relevant to your average algebra lesson.
The Act obliges schools to promote equality among pupils and "improve the educational experience of all groups".
Promoting equality among pupils should be applauded, I would have thought, although improving the educational experience of all groups shouldn't actually be anything to do with "learning about minority cultures" - it should simply be every pupil receives the same amount of input as everyone else.
To be honest, I'm not sure I've grasped what the actual resources being used are, it's a bit vague. Which is probably because the idea itself is a bit vague.
I would not condemn the learning about minority cultures bit, although I would condemn the absence of resources used to learn about English culture.
"Almost as if evil Daily Mail readers were deliberately reaching out from their white areas past the rows of supportive outreach workers, anti-racism officers, equality coordinators, right-on teachers, concerned social workers, socialist councillors, and a left wing government and poisoning the success of black kids in inner city schools. Quite an achievement really."
What a load of bollocks. You don't know what you're talking about.
If your argument is correct then all we have to do to achieve black educational success is isolate the black children from racist society, and surround them by sympathetic teachers, social workers, etc. etc. etc. And gosh, we have done all that. Most teachers, particularly those in inner city schools are left wing and subscribe to the full multicultural theory. They have been notably left wing for decades. The funding has been there for decades. Even during the Conservative era, the Department of Education subscribed to the same theories that you do and the councils operated open multiculturalism and now the national government also has no reservations about the project. All the pieces are in place, and have been in place for a very long time, yet educational underachievement remains as high as ever.
To blame educational failure today on racism is a fantasy conspiracy theory. Hence, those magical daily mail readers.
It is widely accepted, by those with any knowledge of the situation at all, that for a very long period of time black children were not afforded the same amount of watchful tuition as white children. Don't worry if they're not doing very well - they're not the same as us, in the genes. Not as academic, they'll be good in sports.
Now who’s in fantasyland? For a very great deal of time it has been noticed that whereas West Indian children seem to do worse than average, their colleagues from Africa seemed to do better. Sikhs do better than Pakistanis. Why should that be? Is there some other factor that is not external to these kids that causes them to fail? Let me give you a clue - It wasn’t white racism that killed Damiola Taylor. Let me give you another clue - At my school there was one West Indian kid in my class. He had been moved by his parents out of London into a totally white area to escape “something”. I shan’t tell you what but I will say it obviously couldn’t have been to escape racism could it? Moving out of a Labour borough into a Conservative shire county where there was only a handful of blacks. Yet despite this, obvious stupidity by his parents, and his flirtation with far left politics, he became a Merchant Banker and the last I heard was living abroad.
The situation bred a generation of disillusioned youngsters with little scope for social elevation, save the track or the gym.
Each generation is the product of the previous one. The healing process of any social rift takes time, it doesn't take place over night.
Each generation of immigrants to Britain prior to West Indians has had to contend with precisely the same issues but without the multiculturalist bullshit. Each started off poor and moved up the ladder. I gave you several examples which you conveniently ignored or communities that succeeded.
All that you have done is taken away the onus to improve oneself from the individual and placed the burden on society.
The fact that Phu has been quite obviously battered and brused in these arguments might lead one to think he should retract the comments he began with, about "bloggers so vile I wish I could reach through the screen and punch their faces in" (oh how noble of you!).
Phu criticises the "vehement diatribles" of DSD, implying that no-one should be able to express dissatisfaction with the double standards applied to the issue of racism (here we see, once again, the blatant contradiction inherent in the appellation of "liberal"). Yet he can't even hold his own in an argument against these nasty right-wing racists he seeks to shut up.
Better just to censor and name-call like all the other liberals, because debating really isn't your thing is it Phu?
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Only just seen this, and haven't got the time to answer anon although I would like to I've only got two minutes left on this computer. John,
"implying that no-one should be able to express dissatisfaction with the double standards applied to the issue of racism (here we see, once again, the blatant contradiction inherent in the appellation of "liberal")"
for god's sake, why is it that DSD and all his compadres always do this? Where did I imply nobody should express dissatisfaction with the double standards?
If you read all I have said, you'll know I called that a reasonable thing to do. Once again it's a case of misinterpreting an argument in order to belittle it, which, oh master of the debate, is a weak method of arguing anything.
marcusenya - sounds like you're actually angry with the authorities which make the rules, not necessarily the immigrant himself. Well you should be anyway, the stupid system has a lot to answer for - that's something we could possibly agree on.
anon -
"If your argument is correct then all we have to do to achieve black educational success is isolate the black children from racist society, and surround them by sympathetic teachers, social workers, etc. etc."
"it should simply be every pupil receives the same amount of input as everyone else."
the first comment (yours) doesn't really correspond with the second (mine).
I would never shy away from pointing out that many black parents need to work hard to keep their boy "on the right track". I wouldn't shy away from placing any responsibility on a group of parents in fear of being "racist". What I would do is point out some of the reasons for existing black youth culture, which you seem so eager to dismiss as fantasy in favour of simply implying that parents of Caribbean heritage are for some unknown reason incapable of raising good kids (the implication - that Caribbean people are less willing to work/less intelligent than whites?)
To argue that Asians have all done well, so why can't blacks? Is to take the easy route and do what you do best - ignore the sociological experiences of groups of people. Are you seriously saying there is no Asian "ghetto mentality" among young people?
It happens a lot with white kids too, although perhaps not in your "Conservative shire county where there was only a handful of blacks" - perhaps the evil influence of work shy/stupid blacks can't reach that far, even through the Fifty Cent cd's on the kids stereos.
Regarding the quote, actually, I would never have suggested anything like this nonsense. I have said that black kids often didn't receive the same encouragement as white kids in the past and certainly not the same job opportunities, and that a generation of older brothers who hang out on street corners and shot a little weed to get by doesn't prove fertile breeding ground for aspirational young kids in Britain's inner city areas. Will you deny this statement?
The problems are diverse, as I pointed out earlier, while acknowledging that a discussion so centred on race will naturally require answers regarding the racial aspects of these problems.
To address the wider issue was never the agenda of this debate, I don't know about you but I have a life to get on with, but insinuating that the answers for all of this lie solely within the West Indian community's supposed lack of aspiration is preposterous.
When you talk about how infamously left wing teachers have been for decades, surely you're referring to university lecturers? If I may be so bold as to reference my personal experience of schooling (which many of you have done as some sort of conclusive proof) in no way could the teachers at the two secondary schools I attended be described as uniformly left wing. In fact, it's completely laughable.
In any case, a so-called left wing disposition would not necessarily ensure the teacher was any more sensitive to these issues. Indeed, anti-racism has often come under attack from the left, alligning it and multiculturalism with the dilution of class politics, and the rise of postmodernism and identity politics.
Which is ironic, isn't it? The capitalist school of thought borne out of the right is the home of identity politics, and yet here you are, attacking the "left wing" anti-racist.
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